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Anonymous Group Claims Responsibility for Hacking White Estate, Challenges Trustees to Release Unpublished Manuscripts in Digital Form
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Submitted: Sep 3, 2012
By AT News Team


In a news release sent to Adventist Today, a group calling itself “SDAanonymous” has claimed responsibility for hacking a secret web site maintained by the Ellen G. White Estate as alleged in a lawsuit filed in August by the Estate. The group claims that a decision was made by the Estate at some point between 1995 and 2001 to publish all of the previously unpublished letters and manuscripts by White in a CD-ROM and that this set of digital files was ready for publication in 2002. It quotes from a book published with the authorization of the Estate in 1998.
 
The news release states that negotiations have already been exchanged by the White Estate lawyers and representatives of the group. Earlier in August, the White Estate attempted to initiate legal action in Australia. A counter offer was made to the White Estate offering to settle the litigation if the CD-ROM of the unpublished materials was released “by the end of 2012.”
 
The statement argues that under United States copyright law all of White’s unpublished material came into “public domain” outside of copyright protection on January 1, 2003. It says that Brendan Knudson, the only individual identified in the lawsuit, has not been served and lives outside of the jurisdiction of U.S. courts. The group expects the court to dismiss the lawsuit due to this lack of jurisdiction.
 
The group claims that an employee of the White Estate first revealed to them the online location of the full collection of unpublished letters and manuscripts and that it accessed these through a backdoor, not through breaking into the server. It also charges that a mistaken attempt by a private detective working for a White Estate lawyer to serve papers on Brendan Knudson caused “considerable distress” to “Brendan’s autistic brother.”
 
The document accuses the White Estate of seeking to control the interpretation of White’s writings instead of serving as trustees of the materials as specified in her will. It also charges the Estate with “disobedience to the writings they claim to uphold” because of the litigation it has filed. Statements by Ellen White warning against lawsuits among church members are quoted from pages 302 and 303 of Selected Messages, Volume 3.
 
According to the news release SDAanonymous is “a group of several dozen Seventh-day Adventists from all over the world [including] 13 nationalities and can be found on all the major continents.” It says that some are employees of Adventist institutions, while others are students. Knudson is specifically identified as the only person in the group who is not a member of the denomination. It says that he volunteered to be the person to which the online activity could be traced in order to protect the others from church discipline.
 

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Allen Nash
2012-09-04 9:27 PM

How this group got their email address list I do not know. They sent me an email inviting me to contribute to them and listed the same basic information claiming to be doing the work of getting these messages out. They allege that an employee of the White Estate gave them access to the unpublished works. I responded to them that they were stealing and should be open about who they are if they believe themselves to be doing something honorable, which they are not.

If the White Estate was not fulfilling their obligations to the writings of EGW that is their problem for which they will need to answer to God. I just wonder how the conversation will go in the judgment day when they are confronted with stealing these writings.

We all know what would happen to someone who stole from the estate of a well-known person and then claimed as their reason that the trustee of the estate was not doing what he/she should be doing in the opinion of the thieves. Exactly who appointed this group?
 
The fact that there are people in 13 regions of the world who are accessories to the crime does not make it legit any more than if the pope stole them.
 
If they believe they have a beef with the EGW Estate let them do what Jesus said in Matt. 18 and go speak to the estate directly.
 
How self righteous to call the EGW Estate to task for launching a suit alleging they were doing counter to what EGW had written. Well maybe so. On the other had what is the point of such accusations when by their own admission they stole materials that do not belong to them? Which is the greater sin to break the commandment of God as He spoke it and wrote it on the tables of stone or be accused of disregarding the teaching of EGW?

Tania Beaman
2012-09-05 9:58 AM

There are laws of the land and those laws are subject to the laws of God.  If Martin Luther did not have the guts to take the Bible and read it and translated it for the people and many others like him, where would we be today?  I believe in a way we are repeating that history, not in that extreme but in a way yes.  The SOP is just as important as the Bible for the true SDA student, for they understand that SOP and the Bible were inspired by the same Holy Spirit.  They are on the same level. The SOP repeats part of the Bible and then enlarges upon it. You really need them both to stay on the right path of Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein].But see what the verse says at the end: but they said , we will not walk therein. God have mercy on us.  I wish I was involved with it. I would have research and research because that is trully the Gold for this time. We must do what God requers us to do and let the consequences with Him.  I praise God that Martin Luther did not stay submitted under the laws of the Catholic Church otherwise I do not know where this word would be today. Courage my brothers and sisters, we are almost home.

Ervin Taylor
2012-09-04 10:43 PM

Hmm.  This is what happens when an organization that seems to think it has a mandate to hide as much as possible for as long as possible finally gets "called out" by the actions of a group which is forced to operate on the edge of legality.  If that is what it takes to get the full range of EGW's way of interacting with people through letters, etc. out into the open, more power to them.    

Stephen Ferguson
2012-09-04 11:49 PM

Weren't we here 3,000 years ago with the priestly redactors of Babylon? Weren't we here 2,000 years ago with the Church Fathers who decided which books were in and which books were out of the NT Cannon?

We shouldn't forget that often prophetic revelation and sacred writings are not necessarily the same thing.  Usually there has to be a step added in, where the oral recording of prophetic writings are translated into written form, and then collated, redacted and copied.  The redactor scholars are just as much the 'authors' as the prophet who receives and then states the vision. 

Ellen White is interesting because we see this process happening in real-time and under a kind of scrutiny that never existed in the mostly illerate ancient societies.  Assuming just for one moment (even if you don't personally believe) Adventists are right in that there will be more prophets in the future (Joel 2), I wonder how they will be able to operate in a modern information age? 

I somehow expect that a modern prophet would have to be careful in writing those thousands of letters Ellen White did, or even as Paul did.  A modern prophet might have to almost keep completely silent, less one mistakingly confuses their personal opinion for the prophetic message. 

It sure will be interesting and I suspect if there are modern prophets in the future, we will have to come to grips with just how human prophets are...

Elaine Nelson
2012-09-05 12:44 AM

I doubt if anyone can verify what Ellen wrote and what her editors, like Marion Davis rewrote for her under Ellen's name.  She was never given credit and treated Marion very badly even after all the editing she had done for her in making her writing readable and coherent.  Few have seen the originals and there is a world of difference after Ellen's editors "cleaned and polished" them.

It's as much laughable as the secret Mormon tablets.  Makes religion more interesting and less dull.


Stephen Ferguson
2012-09-05 1:43 AM

Yes, might be laughable.  But I see many correlations to the Bible writers and editors, especially those who wrote under the name of a prophet.  Take for example the book of Isaiah, which is probably composed not just of Isaiah's own sayings, but probably one or two other later authors.  Or consider for example the book of Hosea (I think it is Hosea and not Amos?), where a less depressing ending was redacted in later.  Take for example the Gospels, where authors such as Matthew and Luke took parts of Mark, a seperate catalogue of Jesus' sayings (the so-called Q source), and their own particular traditions, and cut, paste and rearranged them for a particular effect. 

So Ellen White (and her redactors) are probably in good biblical company.

That said, it is one thing to cut, paste and edit a prophetic saying uttered in a dream or vision in ASC, as they did with the Bible writers and with Ellen White.  It is quite another to claim to have a collection of completed gold tablets, which no one has ever seen! 

Tania Beaman
2012-09-05 9:50 AM

I really believe God wants His people to desire the messages He left for them, especially for times like this.  We need the unpublished materials.  They were written for our admonitions.  They should be left the way they were written.  The Holy Spirit is the one that should direct the minds of those that are trully seeking to understand His Word.  I praise God that He has open the door for this sad and despicable history to be revealed.  The book written by Gilbert M. Valentine "The Struggle for the Prophetic Heritage"- Issues in the conflict for control of the EGW publications 1930-1939.  I could not believe what I was reading.  But one day ..in the day of judgment they will have to answer to all that they have done and in a way still doing.  I am praying that God will release these writings sooner then later.  

Randy Moeller
2012-09-05 12:32 PM

I am puzzled by something. Those who accept Ellen White as a prophet accept her direction. Since when can man determine that which our Lord wants His people (that which was written by EGW) to know and what He does not? Is not every word of God meant for reproof and correction in righteousness? Therefore since material has not been published those who have not allowed it to be seen by God's people must therefore be prophets in order for them to determine what is allowed to be seen and what is not. If they are not, then are they not standing between God and His people as a man? Who in truth would really want to do this knowlingly? Hence they must fear man more than they fear God.

Elaine Nelson
2012-09-05 2:25 PM

What a misconceptiont:

"every word of God (is) meant for reproof and correction...."

If we read the NT we find that Jesus offered more compassion, in comparison to the Saducees and Pharisees whose business as they perceived it was to "reproof and correct."  Sadly, that is the view of some parents I have known:  constant reproof and correction will create a loving and kind adult.  FALSE.  A child who is constantly reproved will grow to be an adult who is always finding imperfections and faults in others and, unasked, offers his suggestions for "improvement."

Such a body of church members is repulsive and demonstrates a very condemning attitude.


Stephen Ferguson
2012-09-09 9:55 PM

Agreed.  Not entirely sure if I understand Randy correctly, but if I do, he appears way off the mark. 

I have often thought of those little armbands youth wear WWJD - What Would Jesus Do.

They don't say, 'What Did Jesus Do' or 'What Did Jesus Say'.  Importantly, we must focus on what Jesus would do or say, not merely on what Jesus did or do say.

Ellen White counselled against buying bicycles.  If we merely focus on what she said, then her statement is truly crazy.  However, if we look at the underlying principle, that she was worried about people wasting money on luxery items, who counsel is not crazy at all.  Thus, looking at what she would do or say, we can apply that principle to today, recognising she might for example have a word against people buy luxery SUVs that they can't afford, waste gas and ruin the environment.   

The same goes with applying any counsel found from the Bible.  Did we apply, 'Slaves obey your masters' literally?  Do we apply, 'I command women to be silent in Church' literally?  Do we apply Moses' command to go out and exterminate the Canaanites, man, women and children literally?   

Truth Seeker
2012-09-05 3:45 PM

Taylor about the hackers: "more power to them."

That is an appalling statement and supportive of lawlessness. You should be ashamed to make such a statement condoning an illegal activity.    

Stephen Ferguson
2012-09-09 9:57 PM

Not condoning it, but is it illegal?  Wasn't one of the issues the fact that the copyright should have long expired legally?

Ella M
2012-09-07 5:17 PM

   Apparently, if I am reading this right, they will in time be published.  I remember that in the past everything was not published because they were private letters and the material would be an embarrassment to their families.  I would think that might still be a good reason.  I frankly don't care and can't see what difference it would make.  We either see inspiration in stark black and white, or accept that God works through individuals and that every word they say is not from the mouth of God. They are human and live in their culturals and are influenced by them.

hush...don't say that:
2012-09-09 1:16 PM

Hmm... isn't the real issue protecting a "cover-up" of what might endanger "job-security'? 

Kevin Riley
2012-09-09 6:56 PM

I doubt any 'job security' is at risk.  There is enough material in the EGW centre to keep half the adult SDAs in America busy writing articles and books for decades.  Once the material is released, others will write books and articles that will invariable conmtain erroneous ideas the White estate will have to respond to.  You never know, someone may even start asking really difficult questions about Ellen White and how she worked, and we may have another Walter Rae or Ronald Numbers who will really set the cat among the pigeons again.  The desire to publish the historical background is merely an attempt to try and put the material in a setting that is closer to reality than is likely if some others get hold of it first.  Part of the work of the White Estate is to present Ellen White's work within a SDA context, so you can't blame them for wanting to at least attempt to get people to see it from the church's persepective.

Ella M
2012-09-09 6:51 PM

   I am not that suspicious.

God controls the scriptures
2012-09-10 11:28 PM

God controls the Scriptures if He left it up to man to faithfully preserve and record His Word It would have been destroyed or  irreversibly corrupted long ago. Praise God He has not allowed that. At the same time all that God inspired his servant/sis white to record must be for the salvation of souls and to withhold that which will save a soul must surely be a sin. Are we to limit what God has given us to by the judgment of a few men?
thank you tania beaman for your comments they encouraged me. The human frailty of God's servants do not lessen the messages he gives to them for the unction of the Holy Spirit is in the message. Let us not look for reasons to doubt what God has wrought because of what finite man may or may not be able to do or understand. May God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Stephen Ferguson
2012-09-11 2:55 AM

We could have a debate for hours debating to what extent God 'controls' the scriptures?  I personally think God is part of the process, obviously, big in many ways an intimate but indirect way. 

God controls the scriptures
2012-09-11 1:21 PM

Let us give God the glory, not man .

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

    The Bible is the most comprehensive and the most instructive history which men possess. It came fresh from the fountain of eternal truth, and a divine hand has preserved its purity through all the ages. Its bright rays shine into the far distant past,where human research seeks vainly to penetrate. In God's word alone we find an authentic account of creation. Here we behold the power that laid the foundation of the earth, and that stretched out the heavens. Here, only, can we find a history of our race, unsullied by human prejudice or human pride.  {CE 37.4} 

But I saw that God had a special care for His Word. He protected it. At different periods there were but a very few copies of the Bible in existence, yet He would not suffer His Word to be lost, for in the last days copies of it were to be so multiplied that every family could possess it....{EW 214.2}

Isa 2:22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?

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